Hi everyone,

I thought I would alert everyone to the fact that the Government were
running a consultation around eInvoicing. In 2001 - yeah I'm that old - I
ran a open source project called Internet Document Transfer (IDTrans) to
promote the idea of interoperable invoices so you could send an invoice to
someone and you would have a reasonable degree of certainty that their
accounting systems would be able to load it. The idea was to have open
source implementations and a open standard.

So this seems to be similar - only only doing it for trans-tasman invoices?
And it seems aimed at large companies rather than small business or
consumers. And will be run by a organisation that will include software
vendors, banks, and government, but not - you know - consumers or small
businesses. And the IP will be privately held, and transaction fees applied
to each invoice.

I've been writing a submission today, but thought I should alert you all
because there is only five days before the deadline - Nov 16.

https://www.nzbn.govt.nz/using-the-nzbn/e-invoicing

https://www.mbie.govt.nz/info-services/business/better-for-business/nzbn/trans-tasman-electronic-invoicing-framework

http://idtrans.sourceforge.net/

I'm a bit late to the party here,

My speciality is in business automation and workflow.

Many open data principles apply to government data. However the data is
only one aspect of what a platform for Government should provide.

Government is also about process, whether that is an application for a
passport, income tax, healthcare, they are all processes in which data is
generated, consumed and shared among organisations and agents that execute
the services/processes.

From a external perspective access to data is critical, but from an
operational point of view process integrity is also a critical part of what
one might call a 'platform'.

In traditional systems the business rules and process is hard coded into
the software. The has been changing with the advent of process engines like
JBPM, Bonita, Actvitii, etc. However even these systems encourage coupling
to the domain. They are also brittle as they model processes the same way
as comptuer programs, with threading and linear execution. They are not
flexible and adaptable in the same way humans are.

In summary, while many organisations have the need to expose API to aid
integration, process orchestration and business rule enforcement is also
critical. Sadly these things are currently often baked into software rather
than being data driven.

The same principles that we value in data - decoupling from the
implementation when it comes to data formats, can also apply to process
automation.

Ideally we need software that is broadly capable of automation of any
process, not software tightly coupled to the domain. This capability
delivered to Government could dramatically empower Government to implement
processes without huge software budgets.

Has anyone got a link to the data being reported by the Herald about house
sales?

Has this actually been made available, or are we getting only the
statistics that those concerned want to spin?

This is why we need OPEN data for public policy; although the use of
peoples names appears to both violate privacy and the analysis itself
appears grossly biased.

But getting back to the point - was the data made available or are
depending on the analysis of the papers and Labour MPs?

Well yes, but this isn't exactly a Open Data API.

You have to pay the charges outlined, and they can be changed simply by
posting them on the web site without any notification to you. It is, to say
the least, a one sided document.

Ministry of Innovation? Innovation in creating a new thicket of bureaucracy
perhaps. The agreement has more fish hooks than a long line. If you want to
see a API done right look at PowerShop. Straight forward, useful, and does
not come with a license longer, more boring and less intelligible than the
Bible.


On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Laurence at GVG 
wrote:

It it worth having a look at the projects that were developed at GovHack
2015, where Government Data was used for visualisations and applications.

http://hackerspace.govhack.org

The importance of Government Data isn't simply one of principle; we own the
data, but rather one that is fundamentally linked to good policy. Without
objective data there is no way to perform proper analysis and modelling
needed to determine outcomes of public policy.

It may potentially bring more stable policy that is not decided by
political whim. We can argue about the objectives, but the science and
objective data should be the judge of the results.

Hi,

I would certainly like some help on the day.

We have a reasonable number of people attending in Auckland. There is no
mailing list, but we did have a facebook page.

There will be 'bounty' projects, but they are kept confidential until the
day itself in order to ensure things are fair.

The Venue for the Auckland GovHack has changed recently to AUT South, which
is not far from MIT.

There do need to be some updates around the Data side.



On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Michael Howden 
wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> A little late to the party, but I've just registered for the Auckland
> event and am trying to get a bit more info an connect with others who might
> be attending (or is all the fun happening in Wellington?).
>
> Is there a list of challenges/problems/goals from people within Govt ("Xs"
> as Tim says)?
> Are there any teams focusing on specific problems that might want some
> help?
> Is there a GovHack specific mailing list?
>
> Peter - Is there anything that you need any help with? (I've got software
> dev, some data wrangling experience and have run hackathon-type events
> before)
>
> Tim - Are you coming along?
>
> Note: http://hackakl.org.nz/ link is broken...
>
> Cheers
>
> Michael
>
> On 4/05/15 9:18 am, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
>> Thanks for kicking a thread off on this, Peter.
>>
>> I personally think that it would be really interesting to hear from any
>> officials who may have thought, "I have these interesting spreadsheets, if
>> only I had some spare time to do X". What Xs are out there?
>>
>> On Mon, 4 May 2015 08:50 Peter Harrison  wrote:
>>
>>  Last week I agreed to handle the Auckland GovHack in July (
>>> http://govhack.org.nz/)
>>>
>>> This event will be similar to HackAuck (http://hackakl.org.nz/)
>>>
>>> This will actually be held around the country, and so I strongly
>>> encourage
>>> Open Data Ninjas to get involved. In many ways this is getting back to
>>> our
>>> roots, encouraging people to get involved in open culture. It is also
>>> encouraging people to interact and contribute in the Government sphere.
>>>
>>> The format is a competition, where  teams develop applications that
>>> utilize
>>> public data sets.
>>>
>>> This is a great opportunity for us to promote open values in general,
>>> open
>>> data and open source software. What do you all think we can do to help
>>> this
>>> effort?
>>>
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