Issues caused by open data

Some interesting points (and references) from an open data enthusiast regarding
some potential negatives regarding open data.

I have mentioned the first one in several places before - regarding agencies
managing expensive data capture & management systems which previously used data
sales to offset the cost of capturing & maintaining the data. If the data is
now to be given away, who pays for the shortfall?

While the NZ Govt has been very proactive about agencies opening up their data
for free re-use, the general expectation has been that the cost of doing this
is met from already shrinking departmental budgets. A zero sum game in the
longer term - given data capture & management costs are often going up (and in
many cases they are- inflation if nothing else), then if there is no
corresponding increase in funding, & all costs are to be met out of existing
budgets, then the question is not if the operational costs of free data
delivery will consume the entire departmental budget, but when. It might be a
while away, but it is not a sustainable approach in the long, or probably
medium term.

A classic political "solution" which defers real costs untilthey become someone
else's problem.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2013/11/27/four-critiques-of-open-data-initiatives/

Brent Wood

Hey all,

Just on this, we've been looking at opening data in an automated way where
there is already a cost in doing in manually as a way to offset costs. In
this was some data publishing becomes a cost saving for the department. By
centrally publishing too, it reduces their cost of publishing so developing
the business case for departments to publish is as important as
establishing the case for benefit to the public. Also we found that often
the costs of administration made the amount charged for government data
somewhat less beneficial to the upkeep of data. It costs a lot to charge
for data and maintain contracts and the like. For instance, even sharing
data between departments can be a costly exercise (certainly in resources)
so public sharing can often be the most efficient way to share data between
departments, given that we have strict privacy/security limitations about
sharing data between departments at all.

A reasonable question is "is the data created through business as usual
processes of government?" If so, then cost recovery is a bit of a moot
point. If not why is government collecting the data?

One possible way to deal with it is to have an open by default policy where
if a department has a reasonable case to charge for the data, then they
make that case and have to defend it yearly or biannually. In this way, if
there is a genuine case, then the case can be made.

Just some thoughts from across the ditch :)

Cheers,
Pia

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Brent Wood <<email obscured>> wrote:

> Some interesting points (and references) from an open data enthusiast
> regarding some potential negatives regarding open data.
>
> I have mentioned the first one in several places before - regarding
> agencies managing expensive data capture & management systems which
> previously used data sales to offset the cost of capturing & maintaining
> the data. If the data is now to be given away, who pays for the shortfall?
>
>
> While the NZ Govt has been very proactive about agencies opening up their
> data for free re-use, the general expectation has been that the cost of
> doing this is met from already shrinking departmental budgets. A zero sum
> game in the longer term - given data capture & management costs are often
> going up (and in many cases they are- inflation if nothing else), then if
> there is no corresponding increase in funding, & all costs are to be met
> out of existing budgets, then the question is not if the operational costs
> of free data delivery will consume the entire departmental budget, but
> when. It might be a while away, but it is not a sustainable approach in the
> long, or probably medium term.
>
> A classic political "solution" which defers real costs untilthey become
> someone else's problem.
>
>
>
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2013/11/27/four-critiques-of-open-data-initiatives/

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I agree there are some interesting points in the attached article. Good to see
the suggestion for further research and case study too. He points to gnarly
problems that we need to get to the bottom of if we are to persuade senior
managers the benefits of open data when they can so clearly see the zero sum.

Gill Lawrence | Programme Manager
Spatial Information | Waikato Regional Council
P: +64 7 859 0877
F: +64 7 859 0998
M: 021 2222 372
Private Bag 3038, Waikato Mail Centre, Hamilton 3240

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-----Original Message-----
From: ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz [mailto:ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Brent Wood
Sent: Friday, 29 November 2013 4:41 p.m.
To: ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz
Subject: [ninjas] Issues caused by open data

Some interesting points (and references) from an open data enthusiast regarding
some potential negatives regarding open data.

I have mentioned the first one in several places before - regarding agencies
managing expensive data capture & management systems which previously used data
sales to offset the cost of capturing & maintaining the data. If the data is
now to be given away, who pays for the shortfall?

While the NZ Govt has been very proactive about agencies opening up their data
for free re-use, the general expectation has been that the cost of doing this
is met from already shrinking departmental budgets. A zero sum game in the
longer term - given data capture & management costs are often going up (and in
many cases they are- inflation if nothing else), then if there is no
corresponding increase in funding, & all costs are to be met out of existing
budgets, then the question is not if the operational costs of free data
delivery will consume the entire departmental budget, but when. It might be a
while away, but it is not a sustainable approach in the long, or probably
medium term.

A classic political "solution" which defers real costs untilthey become someone
else's problem.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2013/11/27/four-critiques-of-open-data-initiatives/

Brent Wood
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Case studies are good to show the impact of what data has been released.
What we need though is a "wish list", so we can say "if xxx data was
available, we could do yyy". Its helpful if agency management can see real
possible outcomes - especially if you could describe it as an extension to
better public services, where re-use of the data benefits the public beyond
current services provided by government...

On 1 December 2013 20:17, Gill Lawrence <<email obscured>
> wrote:

> I agree there are some interesting points in the attached article. Good
> to see the suggestion for further research and case study too. He points
> to gnarly problems that we need to get to the bottom of if we are to
> persuade senior managers the benefits of open data when they can so clearly
> see the zero sum.
>
> Gill Lawrence | Programme Manager
> Spatial Information | Waikato Regional Council
> P: +64 7 859 0877
> F: +64 7 859 0998
> M: 021 2222 372
> Private Bag 3038, Waikato Mail Centre, Hamilton 3240
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz [mailto:ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz]
> On Behalf Of Brent Wood
> Sent: Friday, 29 November 2013 4:41 p.m.
> To: ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz
> Subject: [ninjas] Issues caused by open data
>
> Some interesting points (and references) from an open data enthusiast
> regarding some potential negatives regarding open data.
>
> I have mentioned the first one in several places before - regarding
> agencies managing expensive data capture & management systems which
> previously used data sales to offset the cost of capturing & maintaining
> the data. If the data is now to be given away, who pays for the shortfall?
>
>
> While the NZ Govt has been very proactive about agencies opening up their
> data for free re-use, the general expectation has been that the cost of
> doing this is met from already shrinking departmental budgets. A zero sum
> game in the longer term - given data capture & management costs are often
> going up (and in many cases they are- inflation if nothing else), then if
> there is no corresponding increase in funding, & all costs are to be met
> out of existing budgets, then the question is not if the operational costs
> of free data delivery will consume the entire departmental budget, but
> when. It might be a while away, but it is not a sustainable approach in the
> long, or probably medium term.
>
> A classic political "solution" which defers real costs untilthey become
> someone else's problem.
>
>
>
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2013/11/27/four-critiques-of-open-data-initiatives/

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One of the issues I see is that less and less data is in the hands of
those who can release it as open.
for example your local city council could, if motivated, supply at
minimum location data on empty parking spaces, stop and giveway signs,
traffic lights, rubbish bins and pedestrian crossings, and the number of
free spaces in the carparks - These could be reality consumed by , for
example navigation type apps. The issue being that private companies
that contract to councils ( traffic light management/wont (usually) give
public access to an api, I can probably come up with some use case
scenarios if this helps.

On 2/12/2013 8:51 a.m., Paul Stone wrote:
> Case studies are good to show the impact of what data has been released.
> What we need though is a "wish list", so we can say "if xxx data was
> available, we could do yyy". Its helpful if agency management can see real
> possible outcomes - especially if you could describe it as an extension to
> better public services, where re-use of the data benefits the public beyond
> current services provided by government...
>
>
> On 1 December 2013 20:17, Gill Lawrence <<email obscured>
>> wrote:
>> I agree there are some interesting points in the attached article. Good
>> to see the suggestion for further research and case study too. He points
>> to gnarly problems that we need to get to the bottom of if we are to
>> persuade senior managers the benefits of open data when they can so clearly
>> see the zero sum.
>>
>> Gill Lawrence | Programme Manager
>> Spatial Information | Waikato Regional Council
>> P: +64 7 859 0877
>> F: +64 7 859 0998
>> M: 021 2222 372
>> Private Bag 3038, Waikato Mail Centre, Hamilton 3240
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz [mailto:ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz]
>> On Behalf Of Brent Wood
>> Sent: Friday, 29 November 2013 4:41 p.m.
>> To: ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz
>> Subject: [ninjas] Issues caused by open data
>>
>> Some interesting points (and references) from an open data enthusiast
>> regarding some potential negatives regarding open data.
>>
>> I have mentioned the first one in several places before - regarding
>> agencies managing expensive data capture & management systems which
>> previously used data sales to offset the cost of capturing & maintaining
>> the data. If the data is now to be given away, who pays for the shortfall?
>>
>>
>> While the NZ Govt has been very proactive about agencies opening up their
>> data for free re-use, the general expectation has been that the cost of
>> doing this is met from already shrinking departmental budgets. A zero sum
>> game in the longer term - given data capture & management costs are often
>> going up (and in many cases they are- inflation if nothing else), then if
>> there is no corresponding increase in funding, & all costs are to be met
>> out of existing budgets, then the question is not if the operational costs
>> of free data delivery will consume the entire departmental budget, but
>> when. It might be a while away, but it is not a sustainable approach in the
>> long, or probably medium term.
>>
>> A classic political "solution" which defers real costs untilthey become
>> someone else's problem.
>>
>>
>>
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2013/11/27/four-critiques-of-open-data-initiatives/
>>
>> Brent Wood
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Yep, that is an example of a potential loss of income for the public data
management agency -

where they currently generate income from data sales to commercial agencies who
expect preferential access for their $$.

How is this loss offset if they now give the data away?

I don't regard it as a problem if the agency gives their data to a commercial
operator, they should give equal access to everyone. But where there is
financial benefit from selling preferential access to potentially open data:

Should the taxpayer/ratepayer be expected to make up for the loss in revenue?

Is it reasonable to expect any agency to set up & maintain open access systems
for nothing, losing any income related to data sales when they do so?

They could release the data under CC-BY-NC to prevent commercial reuse &
protect commercial sales, but if eveyone has access to the data, any commercial
added value is often much reduced anyway. This is perhaps less of an issue for
central government, but becomes more relevant for partially commercial agencies
like CRI's, SOE's, universities, etc.

Note that I'm not saying such data should not be released openly, just that
some discussion around the ramifications of doing so could be useful.

Cheers,

Brent Wood

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From: James Hancock <<email obscured>>
To: ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2013 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [ninjas] Issues caused by open data

One of the issues I see is that less and less data is in the hands of
those who can release it as open.
for example your local city council could, if motivated, supply at
minimum location data on empty parking spaces, stop and giveway signs,
traffic lights, rubbish bins and pedestrian crossings, and the number of
free spaces in the carparks - These could be reality consumed by , for
example navigation type apps. The issue being that private companies
that contract to councils ( traffic light management/wont (usually) give
public access to an api, I can probably come up with some use case
scenarios if this helps.

On 2/12/2013 8:51 a.m., Paul Stone wrote:
> Case studies are good to show the impact of what data has been released.
> What we need though is a "wish list", so we can say "if xxx data was
> available, we could do yyy". Its helpful if agency management can see real
> possible outcomes - especially if you could describe it as an extension to
> better public services, where re-use of the data benefits the public beyond
> current services provided by government...
>
>
> On 1 December 2013 20:17, Gill Lawrence <<email obscured>
>> wrote:
>> I agree there are some interesting points in the attached article. Good
>> to see the suggestion for further research and case study too. He points
>> to gnarly problems that we need to get to the bottom of if we are to
>> persuade senior managers the benefits of open data when they can so clearly
>> see the zero sum.
>>
>> Gill Lawrence | Programme Manager
>> Spatial Information | Waikato Regional Council
>> P: +64 7 859 0877
>> F: +64 7 859 0998
>> M: 021 2222 372
>> Private Bag 3038, Waikato Mail Centre, Hamilton 3240
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz [mailto:ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz]
>> On Behalf Of Brent Wood
>> Sent: Friday, 29 November 2013 4:41 p.m.
>> To: ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz
>> Subject: [ninjas] Issues caused by open data
>>
>> Some interesting points (and references) from an open data enthusiast
>> regarding some potential negatives regarding open data.
>>
>> I have mentioned the first one in several places before - regarding
>> agencies managing expensive data capture & management systems which
>> previously used data sales to offset the cost of capturing & maintaining
>> the data. If the data is now to be given away, who pays for the shortfall?
>>
>>
>> While the NZ Govt has been very proactive about agencies opening up their
>> data for free re-use, the general expectation has been that the cost of
>> doing this is met from already shrinking departmental budgets. A zero sum
>> game in the longer term - given data capture & management costs are often
>> going up (and in many cases they are- inflation if nothing else), then if
>> there is no corresponding increase in funding, & all costs are to be met
>> out of existing budgets, then the question is not if the operational costs
>> of free data delivery will consume the entire departmental budget, but
>> when. It might be a while away, but it is not a sustainable approach in the
>> long, or probably medium term.
>>
>> A classic political "solution" which defers real costs untilthey become
>> someone else's problem.
>>
>>
>>
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2013/11/27/four-critiques-of-open-data-initiatives/
>>
>> Brent Wood
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The most obvious thing is that sometimes that data can be improved upon
whilst being consumed.
eg Rubbish Bins and traffic lights have been reported damaged by users
of apps consuming such data eg fixmystrret type apps.
eg If an app let accelerometers record forces in vehicles near stop
signs and fed that data back to the original data owner that data
becomes more useful , of a greater value than when it was just a
lat/lng pair.

I think with 3 million people running around with a pocket full of
sensors just about any dataset can be improved.
- but much ideation is required to find such solutions.

should the public pay the shortfall , yes in the cases where the income
lost is not overly significant, and the benefit to the public could be
shown to be significant.

Agencies could however think about a model where developers pay for data
on the basis that they might improve it, if the developer can add
something to that data they pay nothing, or perhaps a small monetary
gain, if they can't they pay a standard rate. depending on the type of
data.

On 2/12/2013 2:53 p.m., Brent Wood wrote:
> Yep, that is an example of a potential loss of income for the public data
management agency -
>
> where they currently generate income from data sales to commercial agencies
who expect preferential access for their $$.
>
>
> How is this loss offset if they now give the data away?
>
> I don't regard it as a problem if the agency gives their data to a commercial
operator, they should give equal access to everyone. But where there is
financial benefit from selling preferential access to potentially open data:
>
> Should the taxpayer/ratepayer be expected to make up for the loss in
revenue?
>
> Is it reasonable to expect any agency to set up & maintain open access
systems for nothing, losing any income related to data sales when they do so?
>
> They could release the data under CC-BY-NC to prevent commercial reuse &
protect commercial sales, but if eveyone has access to the data, any commercial
added value is often much reduced anyway. This is perhaps less of an issue for
central government, but becomes more relevant for partially commercial agencies
like CRI's, SOE's, universities, etc.
>
>
> Note that I'm not saying such data should not be released openly, just that
some discussion around the ramifications of doing so could be useful.

Rest of post

This example has three types of data:

(1) asset data = bin location
(2) operational state data eg bin = empty/full
(3) service data = bin was last emptied date/time

(1) is what Councils typically can provide.

(2) & (3) require specification when you negotiate the contract, and there's a
cost involved. Often a rubbish company is good at removing rubbish, not
providing an API.

Should the ratepayer fund additional cost for a potential future value? We've
just done some generic data clauses for procurement contracts so the business
at least considers the issues.

On 2 Dec 2013, at 11:54 am, James Hancock <<email obscured>> wrote:

One of the issues I see is that less and less data is in the hands of
those who can release it as open.
for example your local city council could, if motivated, supply at
minimum location data on empty parking spaces, stop and giveway signs,
traffic lights, rubbish bins and pedestrian crossings, and the number of
free spaces in the carparks - These could be reality consumed by , for
example navigation type apps. The issue being that private companies
that contract to councils ( traffic light management/wont (usually) give
public access to an api, I can probably come up with some use case
scenarios if this helps.

> On 2/12/2013 8:51 a.m., Paul Stone wrote:
> Case studies are good to show the impact of what data has been released.
> What we need though is a "wish list", so we can say "if xxx data was
> available, we could do yyy". Its helpful if agency management can see real
> possible outcomes - especially if you could describe it as an extension to
> better public services, where re-use of the data benefits the public beyond
> current services provided by government...
>
>
> On 1 December 2013 20:17, Gill Lawrence <<email obscured>
>> wrote:
>> I agree there are some interesting points in the attached article. Good
>> to see the suggestion for further research and case study too. He points
>> to gnarly problems that we need to get to the bottom of if we are to
>> persuade senior managers the benefits of open data when they can so clearly
>> see the zero sum.
>>
>> Gill Lawrence | Programme Manager
>> Spatial Information | Waikato Regional Council
>> P: +64 7 859 0877
>> F: +64 7 859 0998
>> M: 021 2222 372
>> Private Bag 3038, Waikato Mail Centre, Hamilton 3240
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz [mailto:ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz]
>> On Behalf Of Brent Wood
>> Sent: Friday, 29 November 2013 4:41 p.m.
>> To: ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz
>> Subject: [ninjas] Issues caused by open data
>>
>> Some interesting points (and references) from an open data enthusiast
>> regarding some potential negatives regarding open data.
>>
>> I have mentioned the first one in several places before - regarding
>> agencies managing expensive data capture & management systems which
>> previously used data sales to offset the cost of capturing & maintaining
>> the data. If the data is now to be given away, who pays for the shortfall?
>>
>>
>> While the NZ Govt has been very proactive about agencies opening up their
>> data for free re-use, the general expectation has been that the cost of
>> doing this is met from already shrinking departmental budgets. A zero sum
>> game in the longer term - given data capture & management costs are often
>> going up (and in many cases they are- inflation if nothing else), then if
>> there is no corresponding increase in funding, & all costs are to be met
>> out of existing budgets, then the question is not if the operational costs
>> of free data delivery will consume the entire departmental budget, but
>> when. It might be a while away, but it is not a sustainable approach in the
>> long, or probably medium term.
>>
>> A classic political "solution" which defers real costs untilthey become
>> someone else's problem.
>>
>>
>>
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2013/11/27/four-critiques-of-open-data-initiatives/
>>
>> Brent Wood
>> -----------------------------------------
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That's a really good idea to create a 'wish list'. It might greatly trigger
agencies to see possibilities that they hadn't already thought of.

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From: ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz [mailto:ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Paul Stone
Sent: Monday, 2 December 2013 8:51 a.m.
To: ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz
Subject: Re: [ninjas] Issues caused by open data

Case studies are good to show the impact of what data has been released.
What we need though is a "wish list", so we can say "if xxx data was available,
we could do yyy". Its helpful if agency management can see real possible
outcomes - especially if you could describe it as an extension to better public
services, where re-use of the data benefits the public beyond current services
provided by government...

On 1 December 2013 20:17, Gill Lawrence <<email obscured>
> wrote:

> I agree there are some interesting points in the attached article. Good
> to see the suggestion for further research and case study too. He points
> to gnarly problems that we need to get to the bottom of if we are to
> persuade senior managers the benefits of open data when they can so
> clearly see the zero sum.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz
> [mailto:ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz]
> On Behalf Of Brent Wood
> Sent: Friday, 29 November 2013 4:41 p.m.
> To: ninja-talk@groups.open.org.nz
> Subject: [ninjas] Issues caused by open data
>
> Some interesting points (and references) from an open data enthusiast
> regarding some potential negatives regarding open data.
>
> I have mentioned the first one in several places before - regarding
> agencies managing expensive data capture & management systems which
> previously used data sales to offset the cost of capturing &
> maintaining the data. If the data is now to be given away, who pays for the
shortfall?
>
>
> While the NZ Govt has been very proactive about agencies opening up
> their data for free re-use, the general expectation has been that the
> cost of doing this is met from already shrinking departmental budgets.
> A zero sum game in the longer term - given data capture & management
> costs are often going up (and in many cases they are- inflation if
> nothing else), then if there is no corresponding increase in funding,
> & all costs are to be met out of existing budgets, then the question
> is not if the operational costs of free data delivery will consume the
> entire departmental budget, but when. It might be a while away, but it
> is not a sustainable approach in the long, or probably medium term.
>
> A classic political "solution" which defers real costs untilthey
> become someone else's problem.
>
>
> http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2013/11/27/four-critique
> s-of-open-data-initiatives/
>
> Brent Wood
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